Going green is mean!

We have all heard the expression “too much of a good thing.”  In January of 2012, a school district in Florida experienced exactly the opposite, too little of a good thing, as in- water.  In an effort to save money, and water, the district decided to replace all of the urinals in the men’s rooms with the newly popular, waterless urinals.  While this seemed like a can’t-miss idea at the time, has proved to be a financial nightmare.  Like most new ideas before much thought is given, it seemed like a no-brainer, but ultimately is never as good as the time tested method of the present.  The lack of fresh water that was no longer being flushed down the drain lines, led to a very corrosive, acidic condition inside of the pipes, causing most of them to develop leaks.  To be fair, it was not necessarily JUST the fault of the waterless urinal, but the waterless urinal combined with the copper drain lines.   Unlike PVC or cast iron drain lines, copper drain lines are prone to failure from one thing, high acidity.  The school district is now faced with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of damages and repairs to the walls and drain lines.  Waterless urinals are now not permitted to be installed anywhere where copper drains are serving them.  The very thing they were trying to save is what ultimately came back to bite them.  

While I do support some of the efforts to “go green”, I also think that just like anything else, we need to use caution, use our heads, and not be so quick to dismiss time tested practices. 

Want a bathroom in the basement?

This week we are working on putting basement bathrooms in both sides of a vacant duplex.  Even with all of the up front cost, this certainly appears to be a no-brainer for a landlord.  This particular landlord is expecting to increase the rent in both sides at least $225.  This project also included cutting in a daylight window and adding another bedroom as well.  This job will pay for itself in very short order.  Keep in mind that every dollar spent, is tax deductible.  

As far as the plumbing is concerned, adding a bathroom in a basement can be anywhere from a simple project, to a VERY extensive project.  The major factor in determining the degree of difficulty, and the cost, has two very important components.  These are whether or not the drains were placed in the floor for a future bathroom at the time the house was built, and, whether or not your sewer goes UNDER the foundation or THROUGH the foundation.  If you have drains roughed in under the cement for a future bathroom, you are in good shape.  If you do NOT have drains roughed in under the cement for a future bathroom, but you do have pipes under the floor, it will be a little more extensive.  You will know this if you have any drains going from the main floor down into the cement.  If this is the case, concrete will need to be broken up to find a drain under the floor, tied into, and new drains placed in the proper location.  Now, the worst case scenario would be if you have NO drains under the cement AND your sewer exits the house THROUGH the foundation.  There are a few reasons why this is a much more extensive process.  First, since we all know that (pardon my language) sh!% rolls downhill, the system is not going to work very well if your toilet, sink and shower are LOWER than the drain going out of your house.  To remedy this, a big pit with a powerful pump must be installed and your bathroom must drain into the pit.  Once the water level gets high enough, the pump kicks on and discharges it UP to your sewer going through your foundation.  The second problem with this installation is that a vent must be ran up into your attic, and either tied into another vent going through the roof, or it must go through the roof separately.  This can be VERY tricky, especially in a two story house. On most newer homes, even if the sewer goes through the wall, there may already be a pit and drain lines roughed in. 

While it is true that a bathroom in the basement will increase a homes value, it is the convenience that will be most appreciated! If you would like a quote or even some advice, we would be happy to answer any questions you may have.  Between the two of us throughout our careers, we have installed hundreds of basement bathrooms with many satisfied customers!

Below are pictures from our duplex project that did not have any drain lines roughed in for a bathroom, but it did have a main drain under the cement that we were able to tie into. 

And that’s how the cast iron crumbles

There are many times when metal is better than plastic.  Unfortunately, if you have cast iron drains, this is not one of those times.  While it is true, pvc has made it impossible for us younger plumbers to ever be as manly as the plumbers of the past, it has also made the life expectancy of today’s drain systems much longer.  I guess in a way, the much lighter pvc has also made the life expectancy of the plumber a little longer as well, or at the very least saved our backs a little.  Above are some photos of a job we were on today.  The image on the far left is the reason we were called out.  The cast iron completely rotted away and had a nice size crack running up it as well.  The picture in the middle is the cobbled mess of materials we took out and replaced with pvc.  This house had cast iron, stainless steel running off the top for the vent, pvc for the bathtub that was recently renovated and copper for the sink drain. The picture below is what it now looks like.  If you have cast iron in your house, it WILL eventually go bad and rot/rust away.  Depending on the setup of your house, this could be a relatively easy job or it could be a very involved venture.  Ranch style homes with the drains exclusively in the basement are generally pretty easy to replace.  Two story homes with a bathroom on the second floor and cast iron going up a wall will test the plumbers patience, and the homeowners wallet every time.  Deteriorating cast iron drains present a two-fold problem.  The first and most obvious problem will be the leak, and we aren’t talking spring water!  The other problem is the sewer gas that will be consistently making it’s way into your home like an uninvited guest.  Sewer gas can be anywhere from unnoticeable, to annoying, to deadly.   Don’t live with leaking sewage or smelly gas, it’s only going to get worse.  By replacing the cast iron, you will avoid recurring costs for drain cleaning, and you will avoid a pretty nasty mess down the road.  Remember, it’s not IF it is going to leak, it’s WHEN.  This is one of those times when a little preventative maintenance is a good thing.  An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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